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Friday, May 23, 2014

Heechul comments on EXO's Kris on 'War of Words'


Article: 'War of Words' Kim Heechul, "Kris situation, not respectful to his fans"

Source:
TV Report via Naver

1. [+7,220, -388] Saw the episode and Kim Heechul-ssi's statements were on point. This is completely different from what happened with Hankyung. Hankyung left because he wasn't given work and felt alienated whereas Kris 100% left for money. He selfishly left without any discussion with the members and I truly wonder how anyone can defend that.

2. [+5,117, -190] Truly disrespectful to the 11 remaining members

3. [+4,636, -150] Yeah, what did the fans and the members do to deserve this ㅋㅋ

4. [+1,092, -30] If even the company had expected him to do something like that, how many other times did he make a mess... and for the members to have consoled him and called him a hyung through all of that, what angels.

5. [+941, -27] His statement has credit to it considering he is a member of Hankyung's ex group on top of being the labelmate of EXO.

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Source: Nate

1. [+434, -25] I hope SM wins the lawsuit and counter sues him so Kris has to pay compensation ㅋㅋㅋ

2. [+370, -21] If Hankyung was given the treatment that EXO is getting now, he would never have left, he would've stayed with SM until the end. EXO's working conditions have improved a lot compared to Hankyung's time and it was Kris that decided to backstab them.

3. [+342, -16] The most ridiculous part of it all was that he did right before the concert

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Article: Kris's lawsuit as seen through the eyes of SM Kim Heechul

Source: Newsen via Nate

1. [+287, -22] Imagine how laughable Kris thought EXO was from the back ㅋㅋㅋ He already had another agency readied up with drama promotions and all scheduled while he was watching the members look forward to their concert and practice for it mid-promotions ㅋㅋ Wu Yifan, EXO may be a gum you can chew and spit out but EXO is a dream for your remaining members, one that they've worked toward for seven years, living away from their families. For someone so close to them to know all of that to do this right during their comeback and concert.. how scary.

2. [+276, -15] It honestly is different from Hankyung's situation. Kris's contract is even the standard one.

3. [+260, -14] Basically just a backstab.

4. [+30, -4] Honestly, Hankyung didn't betray his other members like Kris did.

5. [+27, -3] I think the biggest difference boils down to how the members feel about them. With SuJu, the members always felt sorry to Hankyung for the issues he faced with language barriers but EXO ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

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469 comments:

  1. eTbh what I really REALLY want to know is why did Kris want to leave in the first place? His has been repeatedly trying to leave since BEFORE exo officially debuted, so the whole "his just greedy and selfish and wanted more money x fame" never sat well with me.

    If he wanted all of those thing that badly, logically why would he have wanted to leave during MAMA era when they'd just started? Why would he try again during Wolf and Growl promotions? If anything the tremendous success EXO have had and are STILL having should have been a deterrent to him wanting to leave.

    While I think that the whole SM vs Chinese entertainment is BS, I do believe that his popularity played a role in his decision to to go and that he probably does have a company behind him. But only in terms of giving him the confidence to finally leave. His desire to leave the group however, has pretty much always been there and that's want to know.

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  2. i love when netizens talk about working conditions and what happens on the inside like they actually have the slightest clue. sm's always been shady. just because other companies are shadier doesn't mean sm's not shady. it's a pretty dirty spectrum in the first place.


    i don't know anything about kris or care about sides, but this irks me.

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  3. They went from calling hangeng "traitor" or "ungrateful" to saying he was given unfair treatment, I just hope that k-netz won't get all racist over Chinese people as a result

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  4. All I see is Heechul is basically admitting that Hangeng's reasons for leaving were completely justified

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  5. my thought exactly!!!

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  6. they feed right into sm's strategic pipe piece heechul


    if hangeng is a traitor to suit sm's purposes, he's a traitor. if they need him to be a victim, that's what he is.

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  7. The situation is some complicated shit. I give up keeping up.

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  8. Probably because he wasn't happy there, and decided to jump ship, but not in the right way. Some people are like that. I heard that he realized that idol life wasn't all it's cranked up to be.

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  9. Kris didn't give a statment yet, why are everyone so quick to judge?

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  10. Heechul and hangeng were homies back in the day, so it's not question that he would defend him. Then again, I do believe that hangeng's actions are far more justifiable than Kris' cause he was treated like shit during the beginning of suju, while exo-m has been living it up

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  11. IA... hankyung was obviously mistreated by sm (or kr in general, considering he even had to perform with a mask on when they jst debuted)... even the members know that... kris alr has different contrast compared to the others u know? but obv that alone doesnt satisfy him... sm doesnt (more like CANT) give him what he wants so he leaves...
    i, honestly still want to believe wyf is a good person... cus he was rly nice when he was with exo... but the situation jst makes it hard for me to be understanding with him...
    support 11 members till the end guys!!! and pls stop bringing kris in everything of exo... comment asking for him in exo11 vids/pics is totally disrespectful towards exo!!!

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  12. There are two sides of this, but to be honest I feel like Kris was really selfish about this whole thing. To how things turned out to be, to the time that he filled the lawsuit.

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  13. now lets help trending #LOSTPLANETinSEOUL and support EXO

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  14. how did u know he wanted to leave before debuting? sources please. cuz we only know about him disappearing from regular exo schedules.

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  15. your display picture, I thought he was snsd's yuri! *____*

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  16. Everyone talks like they know everything. what everybody needs to realize, the international and korean and whatever fans, is that...we dont know shit. no point hating on either side because in reality, you have no idea what the fuck is going on. you dont know whether the journalists are fabricating things or whether someones leaking false info. so stop jumping to conclusions and talking like you have any idea whats going on.

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  17. lol really? that's a first XD

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  18. I'm tired of this EXO vs YiFan thingy, I just want to know what's happening from the beginning, what's behind this. I want to see the end, I'm already accepted, move on and keep supporting EXO and YiFan. What's interesting to me is, before this case Knetz really hate EXO from the threads I often read translated by NB but now they seem to love and pity EXO more unless there're not the same Knetz. Well...

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  19. well,what's different is that heechul knows hankyung's side of the story.we still don't know shit from yifan's side and here he is comparing.oh well,whatever.

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  20. Weren't Netizen talking shit about Hangeng when he left. They should not talk without any statements nobody knows what really happens behind the scenes. In a couple of years when SM debuts a new boy band and one of them leaves they are going to start saying 'honestly kris didn't betray the members.... blah blah blah'

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  21. It's not a smart idea to make a statement when a lawsuit has just began

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  22. yeah, but his lawyers did. It's basically the same thing. Also, actions speak louder than words.

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  23. can i laugh... suddenly netizen don't bash super junior it feels funny.. i don't know... but YEAH my boys.. HEECHUL always said the truth.. and tbh Geng and that idol totally have different cases.. ouh love my boys so much.. :D

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  24. "Thank you HEECHUL for telling the truth" every EXO fan. Good luck OT11 for the concert :-)

    140522 JTBC ‘War of Words’ - Heechul talks about the Kris situation

    "The situation with Hangeng was different [in that] he was only able to appear on two different broadcasts while he was in Super Junior. Given that he was the only foreign member, that might be the reason why he experienced a lot of difficulties while promoting."

    Regarding the Kris incident, Heechul stated that the biggest issue was that Kris broke the fans’ trust. By disappearing with only a week left before the concert, EXO had to change all the songs and rearrange the choreography. “There are 6 members in both [sub-units of] EXO, but now everything’s turned upside down for them. That’s also rude to the fans who have been looking forward [to the concert].”

    Heechul mentioned that, in any case, even the fans could have predicted something like this as there have been incidents in the past with Kris suddenly disappearing from stage, not going to the company during EXO’s promotional activities, and not returning to Korea after having traveled abroad. He also addressed the issue of people claiming that SM was forcing the EXO members to write things about Kris and unfollow him on their SNS profiles, by stating that “this is not true.”

    trans: fy-exo | please take out with credits.

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  25. I don't even know anymore http://37.media.tumblr.com/b96b79f959e2d3ce287e2e96ee972d8f/tumblr_msyr58CEtX1r1vf9eo1_250.gif

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  26. they're probably basing it on what heechul had said.

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  27. I don't think he will give any statements soon. It's wise to keep quite now.

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  28. i feel like this is the 1st time netizen doesn't critic heechul and support his words instead..

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  29. letting me go~>~&gtMay 23, 2014 at 3:48 AM

    He's pretty much always been Hangeng's number one defender (of his choice to leave) since day one after the initial shock.

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  30. I can see where you're coming from, but a lot of things are revealed during lawsuits. So many things were brought out after JYJ and Hangeng's cases, as they happened quite close to each other. The whole idea of "slave contracts" had to be banished to save SM's credibility as a company. They updated contracts so that they'd be more fair to their artists. This one, however, doesn't seem to have very much base to it. Kris's side refuses to acknowledge what exactly Kris is suing for.

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  31. 3. [+342, -16] The most ridiculous part of it all was that he did right before the concert

    How irresponsible of that WYF guy. EXO have been re-rehearsing for over more than ten hours every day because of the changes. But anyway, I heard the concert is today? All the best and do well, EXO.

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  32. Yeah I know they were friends. What I meant was, after all the shit Hangeng went through (called a traitor, backstabber, etc etc) and SM's constant pleas for innocence NOW it's implied that Hangeng was in the right all along.

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  33. So you are doing the same thing that you are accusing them of doing by talking about working conditions you know nothing about? There is a standard contract now.

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  34. sm is shady, all of the company is shady, the kpop fandom is also shady, what do you expect? even when your unnis dancing with cute concept their com pany is still shady too...let me welcome you to "entertainment world"...

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  35. It was really hard for suju-M back then Hangeng, Henry and Zhoumin, everybody hurted . Henry and Zhoumin was like trap in such every situation,when they was added to suju, k-fans hated them,don't want them to be a part of the group. When suju-m was doing actually well,hengeng thing happened, people bashed SM and hated them. All i can say is, it's okay to leave, but it would be not fair for those who stay if fans didn't let thing go. Just let Kris go and support him as individual. Exo still under SM and doing their stuffs, SM really has changed since JYJ happened, i dont like them either but it's because of them,exo being able to be this far,remember that

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  36. You also have to remember that these are different netizens.

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  37. oh wait so netizens like Heechul now?? i keep losing track from all their flip-floppin

    http://i.imgur.com/3cZmi3Q.gif

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  38. heechul is lee soo man's golden boy so i take anything he says with a grain of salt. they've always had an agenda with him, making it seem like he's some contrarian, and it's a clever one. but bottom line his priority is sm's interest.

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  39. I must be an idiot to think wu yifan, guy who thought that in his former life he was a superman , won't betray his other members...

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  40. That's how business PR works, sadly. Shady af, but sm would not admit to giving Hangeng unfair treatment because it would tarnish their image

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  41. Heechul's is always on Hangeng's side. I'm not surprise.

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  42. That kept bothering me too. The part where the article was released before the suit was submitted :/ that made everything else just plain shady.

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  43. it's somewhat of a widely renowned rumor within fandom that he'd been trying to leave before wolf comeback, hence the year long hiatus. and from a marketing stand point a company especially of sm's stature would never do something of such to a rookie group.

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  44. I'll just leave this here..


    http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8kpbzpJyM1rozoov.gif
    http://upic.me/i/vk/1006475_o.gif

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  45. All I see is that Kris is so selfish & irresponsible. At least JYJ & Hangeng left without "unfinish work" for their mem. But Kris is just ugrhhh =_=

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  46. sometimes they hate him and sometimes they don't,.. they're bipolar alright.

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  47. please. people don't know the reason he left yet they criticize him... SM is known for their mistreatment yet Kris is represented as the "bad guy". until Kris will tell his side of the story I refuse to Judge him.

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  48. 1. [+287, -22] Imagine how laughable Kris thought EXO was from the back ㅋㅋㅋ He already had another agency readied up with drama promotions and all scheduled while he was watching the members look forward to their concert and practice for it mid-promotions ㅋㅋ Wu Yifan, EXO may be a gum you can chew and spit out but EXO is a dream for your remaining members, one that they've worked toward for seven years, living away from their families. For someone so close to them to know all of that to do this right during their comeback and concert.. how scary.


    Preach it and it ain't even Friday.

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  49. isn't funny now though, because within this situation they (SM)basically have to admit to fault to their previous lawsuits in order to defend their current. It's like a circle. "i was really bad before, but now I'm not bad"

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  50. Because he refuses to even give a reason for the lawsuit. First it says financial issues, then it says mistreatment. Plus, he's doing it at the worst time for SM, the EXO members, and the fans, which makes him seem like an even bigger dickwad.

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  51. Haha love Heechul..We all knew he's SM's golden boy with a big mouth so I don't trust him as much I trust the so called 'theories' as well 'fan accounts'. He's one of those people I would say 'take a grain of salt' with.

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  52. That's how it's looking. They hate him for "running his mouth" even though that's his job, but then they love him for running his mouth

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  53. i think so too but it's not bad if knetz want to believe heechul since he is sharing some insight stuff.

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  54. Did I read it wrong? Did Knetz finally not call Hangeng a traitor? But I have to say I agree with Heechul on this. Compare to what Hangeng have been treated by his agency and Korean entertainment industry back then, Kris and other foreign artists that come to Kpop after Hangeng got it a lot easier

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  55. And yet he received a lots of critics by stating his honest opinion.

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  56. this is not the first they don't criticize him..

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  57. Yes thankyou. Lord have mercy you are the only one that seems to see a different perspective.

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  58. i want to copy paste what i write on soompi last night

    i think exo knew kris wants to leave, but they either think "since he failed twice, maybe he give up on leaving" or "i know he gonna leave, but i don't know when"

    then... kris leave at the most unexpected time and caught SM off guard. seriously, i don't think i can handle badmouthing on kris... because kris haven't said any bad about them.. and what he said about SM thru his lawyer is a fact that everyone know.. its just repetitive facts from hankyung case. that's not badmouthing. sometimes i do feel, this is the right time to leave... because of the concert, the members focus are all on the concerts.. they don't post weird stuffs on SNS but just posted about the concerts, which is good, a good distraction from the issue, to avoid further damage. if they are on hiatus, im pretty sure they need to prolong their hiatus to settle the problem, just like how they postponed the wolf comeback because kris was MIA last year.

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  59. which is only a few years old, and primary means shorter contracts (5-7 years over 10-15) and pay at more frequent intervals. it doesn't change the fact their day to day load is still ridiculous. you don't have to be a lawyer or an insider to see they're overworked when any idol out there tells you themselves they barely get time to sleep or eat properly or see their families.

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  60. Kris is so irresponsible.... he shouldn't left in the middle of a promotion and just days before their concert....

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  61. owh... bcoz they criticize him too much, its feels like 1st time. huhu..

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  62. Seriously right I'm so sick of all this case. I'm waiting for all to be resolved.
    And seriously, we all need to move on even if it's hard.

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  63. How do you even know he's refusing to state anything? Tbh anything can be created from shit and everyone here will eat it up.

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  64. Hangeng went from being a traitor to being a victim just so public opinion can better frame Kris as an ungrateful backstabber lol. I don't even care about EXO or Kris but this shit amuses me.

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  65. I dont know is it true or not Kris left for money, but it's obvious that he's irresponsible. He left before 8 days of concert so all aspects had to be suddenly adjusted to fit 11 members. They had to refilm the VCR, practiced all again and prepared for only 1 week. What did members and staff do wrong to deserve this ?


    Secondly he doesn't respect his own fans who booked tickets to be in the concert to meet him. Suddenly left without saying. Even in his post on weibo, he didnt say sorry to his fans ( or other members). He just only thanked those who support him. lol

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  66. exactly, and now they basically have to play on both sides, it pathetic, and it's fucking entertaining.

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  67. Kris could at least spare some words to Exo fans or something. what if some of the fans who paid a shit load of money for that concert were Kris biased and now he wont be there.

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  68. I think the reason so many netz hated Hangeng was because of the mistranslated articles that Korean media was giving out && because no one knew nor wanted to know the dark sides of idol industries –– could have been SM's hand at it or just media tryna cause some trouble, cause even Shindong said it in RS that he didn't understand why Hangeng said that the members didn't care about them based on Korean articles while those who spoke Chinese never went against Hangeng.––– Heechul more than anyone knows that HG had every reason to leave, he endured 6 years of it alone, because no one in the group could or would understand how he felt and JYJ endured 8+ years of it since their trainee life. Like one Knet said had the conditions been like they are now neither of them would have probably left the way they did.
    I was hurt and shocked that Kris did this the moment he did. It seems he had no consideration of the members and the timing,[or he had no choice but to go ahead with it since there was prob another company expecting him to do it now.] He had 5 years to leave while he was a trainee, he was a trainee during the time JYJ and HG filed their lawsuits he had every chance to just leave! He barely endured 2 years as a rookie and left 11 members hanging in the middle of their dreams finally coming true. –– It's a bit hard to see Kris as a victim specially with how long an official statement is taking and how SM can't contact him while he is still under contract.

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  69. but really now... with sm overworking exo (because exo=money) is there really a better time? I doubt it... It will always be the wrong time.

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  70. I read this before and it totally make sense. All of the preparation and timing was so perfect (for kris' side ofc)

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  71. yeah yeah how credible and objective it is coming from a sm artist...

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  72. Ikr..but I guess he wanted to make a stand by doing it now..I hope his reasons for leaving are somewhat sincere because I am running out of reasons to defend him...

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  73. ....Really? This third party bull crap is really getting annoying >.>

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  74. Hangeng's case was a lot worse.... he left when he couldn't take it anymore...

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  75. Okay. So why not he just leave at first place? Sorry i really dont know the real story.

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  76. kris left by his own will while Hwayoung was forced out so that's completely different. I think the exo members are being ridiculous btw. Hwayound did show up at some concerts in japan and performed, the members just freaked out when she didn't attend one and also did you forget she was on crutches as in she could not walk? If the members truly cared they would have let that one slide. I wish T-Ara all the best but people who put most of the blame of their ruined image on Hwayoung are delusional, They brought it on themselves and why should I feel sorry for them? Hwayoung was my bias in that group and she got kicked out partially because of them.

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  77. no, you really felt butthurt.

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  78. Nguyen Hoang AnhMay 23, 2014 at 4:16 AM

    Or that BULLSHIT HATERS can break their damn TV

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  79. i think in korean culture that sexy=mature.So,that is why many companies think that if you want to do something mature and different,you must go to sexy concept.

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  80. sisT trust me i know shampoo.mp3 is my lyf and it deserved every award in 2011

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  81. since hwa is not in t ara anymore,why should you bother on t ara.Go support your bias and keep delulu on her

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  82. Yes, that was the one i noticed she did read the comments. Which as something i'm surprised how tough she is...

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  83. uhmm okay,,bye

    http://media.tumblr.com/57002866173e4c65502478cbc64a67ef/tumblr_inline_mfamwxuUPA1rybfr7.gif

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  84. no amount of gifs can help you.
    You clearly felt something.

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  85. felt something towards whom??

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rQcocCoiD3g/Tw-5vf1WCsI/AAAAAAAAdSM/F-6H2uCe6sI/s640/kissjp10.gif

    oh yeah i forgot i actually felt something towards this handsome young fella..

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  86. I know they renewed. I'm just saying that IF they want to leave, I'd rather they do it as cleanly as possible. No lawsuit mess or whatever. Do it like SES and just leave.

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  87. Im sure kendall and ariana would KILL for all the attention LMAO.

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  88. Yeah, like how Jonghyun said that there was a long period of time that he really had no schedules whatsoever. And how Hyoyeon picked up snowboarding/skiing/whatever because she had no schedules at all earlier this year.

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  89. Korea doesnt have as many tv channels like here in the US. The 2 or 3 major broadcast stations are family based programs, and it's sort of a habit to have the TV on during meals or in between on a certain channel or program despite what's on it. Heck my mom will keep the TV on even if she doesnt like the program just because it's a habit developed.

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  90. nobody knows anything though..... i dont take all of these things seriously. but its good insight sometimes.

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  91. Sure. That's why there are other Hallyu groups.

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  92. I didn't say it was 100% hwayoung fault , both party had their own share . And its delusional of you thinking that it was t-ara fault that hwayoung was kicked out. way before it happened, KKS already told the media about his sickenin rules "he will replace / kicked out any members who are lazy." he didnt even consult the issue first with t-ara member since both t-ara and hwayoungly knew that hwa was kicked out only from the internet. T-ara probably just want to give a warning since they knew ks betters

    Lets say, i once upset hwayoung kept quiet all this time and only clarified she wasnt bullied 2 years later when the damage is already beyond repair. But since t-ar already move on, i also stop bothering myself hating hwa and just being neutral instead. This topic is already dead. What matter is t-ara choose to move forward and become better people. Ill support them rather. than spending my life hating on hwa

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  93. Attitude? I'm pretty sure I remember Tae Yeon, Tiffany, and Jessica getting into attitude controversies so...

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  94. All the more reason to get scrutinized a bit more don't you think?

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  95. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ K...?

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  96. [+56, -8] EXO's fine moving forward like this because Kris wasn't the main visual, vocal, rapper, or dancer.

    omg this is so accurate for some reason

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  97. They used to dating each others :)

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  98. aw i was a fan of suju and i developed this habit since they kept on decreasing lol

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  99. She said in the press conference that it was the ceo decision to do a sexy concept ... she even said that he wasn't satisfied with the MV because it wasn't sexy enough for him but she managed to convince him that the hip thrusting was way enough and refused to do more sexy than that.

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  100. jiyeon should have taken IU's suggestion of not doing sexy concept. i hope jiyeon will do well

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  101. A lot of the awards are based on popularity and ratings.

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  102. Yes, Hyorin and GD will be in it too but they're not in the same line up with Taeyeon is. So, technically Taeyeon isn't the only idol in Hidden Singer.

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  103. [+3,076, -160] But I don't want to see her on public broadcast or cable...

    http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/9/96447/2584020-0930868846-tumbl.gif

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  104. pls don't use KHJ like this

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  105. suzy has the craziest fans, just look at the comments here. it's scary.

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  106. The other day, I met really important people (lol) and they were taking press pictures and Oh My Gosh, it is the most annoying and painful thing ever. The noise is annoying and the flash made my head hurt. I understand now.

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  107. death stare LOL

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  108. well I'm sorry if you failed to digest what I'm trying to explain to you. Anyway since you cant grasp the meaning behind ones popularity and the concept of what acting truly is then I guess I just have to agree to disagree with you. I have no time talking with simple people. People can talk shit in the internet for whatever reason they have against Suzy at the end of the day when they see Suzy's drama, many people are enjoying, empathizing with her characters. She's successful in that part since she have many fans from her dramas.

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  109. Only me, or that male dancer looks like baekhyun...

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  110. but pansori? pansori is hard, not everyone can do pansori. is she going to sing for real or will they make her lip-sync or something?

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  111. Always support someone doesnt equal with couldnt see the flaw. Because we support them we want the best for them, even with point out what is her/his flaw and support her/him to improving their skill.

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  112. jiyeonsgorgethighsMay 23, 2014 at 7:40 AM

    A+ for the concern trolling.

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  113. Pretty sure the company chooses the concept she pretty much has zero say in most of her activities.

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  114. Nothing new about this anymore she was told to do a sexy concept by her company even though she didn't want to, the song and mv was ok in my book haters will always complain

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  115. She is perfect. Fuck you netizens

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  116. i dont understand

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  117. She is perfect. Fuck you netizens

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  118. Maybe she isn't a morning person I look like half of those pictures, guy version, except for the obvious camera flashing her face

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  119. queen's♥nelvisMay 23, 2014 at 9:00 AM

    Rude Show. ep4. Diadem Subs team haven't finish the sub.

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  120. I didnt notice to be honest

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  121. I believe k-netizens are really biased when it comes to sm

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  122. Leeteuk, junsu, who cares?

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  123. [+1,839, -112] Yay ㅜ Really didn't want to see it
    [+3,076, -160] But I don't want to see her on public broadcast or cable...

    -You can just change the channel while she's on. Why are you even complaining about this Argh! Dumb knetizens.

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  124. Pansori is one of the most beautiful and unique traditional arts of Korea. No offense intended towards Suzy, but please don't ruin it. People train for YEARS in pansori. This isn't something she can just pick up...and her voice, even though fine for pop music, is simply not going to cut it.

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  125. People train in pansori for YEARS, and not just a few.

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  126. queen's♥nelvisMay 23, 2014 at 9:38 AM

    I don't like the hip dance too..
    anyway Jiyeon Hwaiting!!!!

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  127. Oh god how can you guys be so naive? It's just a rumour, stop acting like it's a fact.
    Yes, the nickhun-tiffany rumour was true too but that doesn't mean that all those other 2466548 rumours are true, too.

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  128. Still though she kissed Kim So Hyun in Dream High ㄱㄱㄱ /cough/ he even 'crushed' on her
    I sort of cringed when I saw the suzy shippers :/
    her cameo in 'Stars' was creepy, she was so pale like a ghost 0_o

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  129. It's actually rather crazy how their lyrics (minus Mum which is well, for mums haha) are all kinda creepy with different levels of obsession no matter how happy the song sounds. It's always about a boyfriend who's being too obsessed with his current girlfriend, or an ex-boyfriend who couldn't get over the past, or a guy who can never have the girl that he longs for but still refuses to give up. I was just copying all lyrics and translations into my iTunes not long ago and the only exception I can find other than Mum is Real Story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8ik5qswUp0


    Then again the funny thing is that Real Story and Breathe sound like they could be sang by the same boyfriend who wants a break from his obsessive girlfriend. Just that Real Story is like Phase I and Breathe is Phase II already. ROFL.

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  130. fly to the sky,GOD and wheesung have more fan power than most of our unnies and oppars..I was shocked at the fact exo beat GOD

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  131. the only way they will overlook these scandals is to be super talented...if you are average like hyosung or jiyeon,you would need to work over a long hiatus to get the level they will overlook your scandal

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  132. even taeyeon or hyorin won't attempt pansori....why is suzy doing this?

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  133. I think they have prepared tissues lol

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  134. Because SNSD is so big, there are more eyes watching their every move. They bust as much hip in "IGAB" choreography as Ji Yeon does in "Never Ever," but Ji Yeon gets scrutinized. Hell, I don't even think Troublemaker was told to change their choreography last year and they were a LOT more scandalous than Ji Yeon's hip choreography. Same for Hyo Sung. Her choreography is just as sexual, but Ji Yeon is the only one forced to change. Seems like there's picking and choosing and may I almost even say they're picking on Ji Yeon because of T-ARA's rep. Not even giving her a fighting chance to redeem herself, while others are getting away with it.

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  135. they are showing this to kids and a hip dance can be very inappriopriate unless you are bi lol

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  136. Probably cuz she isn't wearing sunglasses but has shyt flashing her eyes

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  137. That dance was embarassing, it's the kind of thing people do at a concert, not on tv.

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  138. I think t-ara has formed some thick skin...I think snsd might start the trend of manly concepts but most companies want to invest in the trend of being sexy

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  139. one thing can break down an artist's hardwork unless you are ok being referred to as a douche after those tweets

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  140. That ahjumma style though, come on Tae, you can do better than this ^^'

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  141. let me say this,I am one those people who will rant and I can be a bitch if I am not going to be nice to people who post determination tweets...determination meaning (by their standard) lets land ourselves in hospital just because of the concert,2ne1's main vocalist prioritized her career over her health (her vocal cords) and guess what happened?taking tons of medicine and no longer able to even sing properly anymore,even one of rainbow's vocalists took a 1 year hiatus for the recovery of her vocal cords,please put your health first,not your career

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  142. You should REALLY learn the difference between "sick" and "injured but lazy". Her leg was injured but she was allowed to sit in a chair to do her rap in Day By Day. That's all she had to do and refused. She INSTEAD went to a salon but wasnt determined enough to sit her lazy ass on a chair just for one song. So yeah, if I was t-ara I would've been pissed too. If everyone is putting in effort except one person whos bringing the group down, I would want them to leave. T-ara went straight to KKS and told them they wanted him to talk with her, not fire her. That was KKS' choice. Maybe you shouldve looked into the situation with your precious little bias a little further so you could see just how lazy and undetermined she was.

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  143. Let it go is meant for people with good upper registers...not people with pathetic undeveloped upper register

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  144. That's how I feel. While everyone was praising Kris for "saving" Showtime, I was mostly cocking my head to the side every time he did something weird. Chen and BaekHyun, on the other hand, are naturally funny. With Kris, you're laughing at him and not with him.

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  145. if korea had the razzie awards,suzy would be the one receiving the most awards....

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  146. pansori takes years to perfect...not months and it is not meant for someone who has a pathetic upper/lower register

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  147. its because people like hating on T-ara. They're never going to run away from the hate, esp since Hyomin's illjin scandal..


    but what T-ara haters do is worse than what T-ara did to anybody.

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  148. if your legs are injured,stay the fuck home for goodness sakes...nobody wants to see an idol in pain on stage,you have to take pain killers,the day t-ara becomes bed ridden from all their activities,lets see whether they think this is called being determined

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  149. Um sorry it wasnt her throat thats hurt? Will it hurt to sing when its your leg and you dont even have to stand? Then why didnt she just go to hospital intsead of salon? Anyway past is the past. No need to bring this topic anymore. T-ara has already reflected about their determination tweet by not tweeting for almost 2 years and have already apologized. They try their best to recover their image and try to become better people while here we are talking shit like this that doesnt have any benefit.

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  150. Let it go is difficult to sing for people without a well developed upper register,don't try it if you don't have the range for it. pansori sounds good when it is sung by someone who has been doing it for a while or if the idol is a top vocalist and has no problem doing it

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  151. most idol actors are doing it the old fashion way which is climb up the ladder and not using a brand name,some of snsd quit acting after it did not work for them but yet some continue to torture people with bad acting on their lead roles

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  152. yayapapaya....go look outside of singapore and see what true sucess is,singapore's actors are HORRIBLE and to start with,not even visually appealing...appalling to the point you wish we had a razzie award for each of them

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  153. dedication means taking acting classes if you have free time,not doing movies all the time

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  154. you do realise she is like kristen stewart? there is a limit to how much she can improve

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  155. http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7344/12604297054_4679c4ca5d_z_d.jpg wow,call someone stupid when you can't stop using lah

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  156. I think you are the no brainer here

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  157. arirang called out Yuri's bad sense of fashion at the airport which is ridiculous...they expect idols to freeze their asses off just for these pictures,the picture where boram's veins are literally sticking out is something nobody wants to see

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  158. they are equivalent to a teen choice award

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  159. pansori can take a lifetime to perfect

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  160. ohhh i think i understand your first comment now


    yea i guess, but mostly SNSD were hated by jealous fangirls (bc of connections to 2pm suju etc)


    They had some controversies, but not as big as T-ara, that's why they don't get the same amount of hate.


    illjin/bullying is not taken lightly by knetz

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  161. Agreed, that's why I don't understand why the original person said "SNSD is a different case." No, more like T-ARA's a different case because they have a bad rep.

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  162. The dude is married, been married to Sophie Dahl since 2010.

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  163. Did you miss the part where she spent all the day at the salon and not resting? That's the only reason T-ara got mad. If Hwayoung was in bed resting it would be an entire different story. But instead she was doing the same thing she would've been doing on stage: sitting in a chair.

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  164. ohhh okay just replied to you about that like a few minutes ago on here

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  165. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TlvTvYOV0U



    can suzy handle pansori when the skilled ones sound like this?

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  166. the idol could develop a vocal nodule just because of pansori...

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  167. So true. I'm not saying idols these days aren't suffering, but DBSK really really had it rough. The whole 4th quarter of 2008 with Mirotic all the way to the Gayo Daejuns were so hectic. They'd be in Japan in the morning then Korea in the afternoon/evening. Crazy.

    Not to mention that the only real free time DBSK had before was the 1st 10 days of the year that they'd get as a vacation.

    I don't blame JYJ at all for getting fed up with that lifestyle.

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  168. why not use hangul for a korean word? romanizations usually suck anyways

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  169. "when she looks perfectly fine'
    She might look perfectly fine, but she might not feel perfectly fine. Ever consider that? And in this case, the only person who has a problem with Taeyeon's behaviour was the journalist who was clearly trying to blow something out of proportion.

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  170. I just wish they would just look past all the hatred and all the grudge. And see how beautiful this song is. The choreography is actually so symbolic and aesthetic. Not the mention the MV has so much meaning and symbolism behind it.

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  171. Grinding is reserved for the club lol

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  172. haters gonna hate potatoes gonna potate
    fighting Suzy, u will make those losers to shut up

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  173. T-ara still has fans in Korea. Korea itself is a small market so losing fans there doesn't really matter if you have a big international fandom, which T-ara do (most hallyu money comes from Japan and T-ara has a healthy Japanese fandom for a Kpop group). Their album sales are 3rd highest for any Kpop girl group. They're fine.

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  174. Me neither lol.
    These are the Kris impersonations. The rest I got them everywhere, sorry for my untidiness.


    This is by far my favorite.
    http://misshomin.tumblr.com/post/44185451302/kris-wolf-cut-leaked

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  175. It wasn't sexy it was slutty and trashy.

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  176. People pay for cable so she should be removed from their channels

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  177. She keeps changing her face, it looks awful now. Why can't they stop the plastic surgery? It's like a sickness.

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  178. Hell no. Most of I've seen is during the MAMA era rolfmao.
    I have now seen it. And it breaks my heart that almost everybody underrates him so bad. You're not the only one who gets sensitive when people deny his talents. He's great T_T


    Its official, people must be blind xD

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  179. It doesn't matter, it's still going to flop. Better for KKS to cut the strings and cast her off. He and CCM went through a lot because of her. The nude sex cam scandal and then the bullying scandal. He had to lie twice on her behalf. And he probably lost a bundle investing in this comeback of hers. The Korean audience don't want to really see her. Some of them watch just so that they can mock her and write negative comments. It's becoming a joke. T-ara is famous now for being hated and it's not going to change. In fact, it gets worse the longer it goes on. The company is also hated now, and when Da Vinci left, everyone was cheering them for leaving. So it's affecting other groups in CCM. Best to get rid of the gangrenous part so that the healthy parts can live. Korea won't accept bully-idols. She can cry on TV and get mental health evaluations and fish for sympathy as much as she wants, Koreans won't feel sorry for her. They don't feel sorry for bullies.

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  180. I know! Once I saw that I was like, "Oh my god, literally, I still don't understand how you can deny his talents!?"
    Wasn't that solo just... I don't know... no words to describe how much I loved it...


    Honestly, Sehun's "style" I guess of dance appeals to me more than any of the other dancers. To be QUITE honest, I don't really care much for expression because, I guess... I don't know, even if you aren't a trained dancer, you can still express your moves, for example, Kyungie and Baek express their moves really well but they're not fantastic dancers (they are pretty good, though). So, of course with Kai you can FEEL his passion, more so than with a lot of idol dancers out there. People wish they could reach his level. But for me, I look at how perfectly one can pull off dance moves, and I find that Lay and Sehun are the best at doing the dance moves sharply and perfectly. Kai, like I said before, sacrifices some of that sharpness and precision to express himself, and for someone who looks for the former rather than the latter, I guess that's a big no-no for me...
    I'm not trying to bring down Kai AT ALL, I mean, dude deserves to get all the praise he gets. It just makes me sad that Sehun gets next to none of it. For someone who is at, to me 90-95% at Kai's level, I don't know... I bet if Sehun just expressed himself a little more (I notice that he does, it's just not as intense as the rest of the members) people would notice him, and that makes me mad. That you can ignore his talents because of that... When I watch Sehun dancing, I feel like he's directly looking RIGHT AT you through the camera, and he's just got this special feeling when he dances...


    Oh my god, sorry, huge reply. Anyways, join the club buddy, join the club. Together we fight for the recognition of my turtle's immense dancing ability.

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  181. Thats exactly what I mean. Its disgusting. They all have the right to frown, yell or whatever. When hyorin didn't smile they make it a huge issue as If she killed someone. They're so biased.

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  182. SM probably has full control of their lives and probably written in small letters:get plastic surgery when we want you to on the contract

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  183. Train like crazy and show them up, Suzy!!

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  184. /////////////

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  185. Jenizz | pinkcrownMay 23, 2014 at 1:20 PM

    eh? I don't understand what you're trying to say to be honest. ^^;

    I said that it's nothing new for the broadcast stations to request a change in clothes / dance / whatever..

    So yeah.. your comment confuses me. ^^;

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  186. ugly dog mindlessnoise is back

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  187. t-ara was the third best selling girl group of 2013 what are you talking about

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  188. She needs sunglasses like Hyo.

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  189. Damn, I love you and your comment! You speak my mind, seriously ;-; I mostly fangirl alone so it's really great being able to read other inspirit's opinions. I mean, international inspirit are small in number if compared to other bigger fandoms and sometimes I just feel like no one understand me and the way I love INFINITE, especially in terms of their music. Most of my friends don't like the 80s sounds in their songs ._. But I can listen to them over and over.
    Season 2 also surpassed OTT for my favorite INFINITE album too. It's what I've always hoped in every way, but better. Every song is just...incredible ;-; Too bad casual listeners aka most people other than inspirit seem pretty neutral with this release. But it's better than them releasing something I dont like and left me behind, if you know what I mean LOL Gotta love them & woollim for sticking with their identity & also the fans.

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  190. look who's talkin. lmfao. you better look at yourself twice before you're gonna call SUZY ugly. It's obvious you're a butthurt hater.

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  191. I'm not a T-ara fan so I don't really know if this hate is justified, I need help of QUEENS. There were bullying rumors against Hwayoung, were these rumors true ? Or was it just something on Twitter that was blown out of proportion ? No offense QUEENS but I think that if she's really a bully she deserves it but I've read some articles saying that fans/people overreacted about that Twitter thing an she's not a bully... Help ?

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  192. why are you hating. (:

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  193. What's with all the hate? Like no.. ya'll drinking too much Hatergade.

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